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qwyrxian
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: No Test Content Specifications!?

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I've used the main site for quite a while, studying for level 3 (old), but i've never posted on the forums before. I am planning to taking N3 in 2010...I was looking at the official material today, and I see that they are intentionally not releasing a Test Content Specification guide. I don't get it. How is it possible to study kanji and vocabulary without some sort of baseline for what level we need to be reaching? I can understand not releasing a vocabulary list--most foreign language exams don't (TOEFL and TOEIC come to mind), although the tests are well established, with only a single level, so numerous private companies have done a good job compiling key lists. But with kanji, you're in a position where you either know a given kanji, or don't. There are no roots or affixes (or, what there are are more often misleading than helpful), there are no other languages to reference (save for Chinese), no other strategies you can use.

Without a list, it seems like, at least for kanji (and vocabulary to a lesser part), I honestly can't think of anywhere to start other than just learning as many of the Old level 2 as I can. I mean, even Japanese native students have specific list, decided by the government, of what they need to study. And that's all they'd really need to do--say, N4 = Grade 3, N3 = Grade 6, whatever.

Any one have any ideas? Reading that there would be no content specifications just made my stomach crash.

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Gabriel
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:58 pm    Post subject:

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I just bought yesterday a book called [新しい日本語能力試験」ガイドブック]. It`s made by the compagny Bonjinsha [凡人社]. It`s a test preparation book for the new test, level N3 N2 and N1.

I`m an 1kyuu(old) beginner and by browsing through this book I think that you`ll have no other choice than to aim for the completeness of 2kyuu(old).

The equivalent of Xkyuu in NX should be, from the information I picked up on the net, like this:

4kyuu = N5
3kyuu = N4
2kyuu = N3 and N2
1kyuu = N1

The problem is, "where" is the 2kyuu splitted half? What will be in N3 and what will be in N2? Like you wrote, there won`t be a Test Content Specification guide. All I can say is be safe and study for the 2kyuu.

Don`t forget that the most important thing is not the "I passed" paper but the knowleged earned.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: No Test Content Specifications!?

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qwyrxian wrote:
I see that they are intentionally not releasing a Test Content Specification guide. I don't get it. How is it possible to study kanji and vocabulary without some sort of baseline for what level we need to be reaching? ... Without a list, it seems like, at least for kanji (and vocabulary to a lesser part), I honestly can't think of anywhere to start other than just learning as many of the Old level 2 as I can. I mean, even Japanese native students have specific list, decided by the government, of what they need to study. And that's all they'd really need to do--say, N4 = Grade 3, N3 = Grade 6, whatever.

Any one have any ideas? Reading that there would be no content specifications just made my stomach crash.


Hi qwyrxian,

I was considering writing a small article/blog about it. Since you've already posted, I might as well unload it here.

I think JLPT has always tried to ensure that passing isn't too easy (not unreasonable) and by not publishing lists, they've taken a step further.
For reasons I'll detail below, I think it's a step that creates great difficulty and risk to exam takers, and one that I don't see any solid justification for.

For example, it seems self-defeating that a new level (N3) has been created, with between 300 and 1000 kanji (presumably you must know about 600 kanji to pass) where part of the reason for the new level must be to alleviate the distance between previous levels; but by not publishing a required kanji list, the student must in reality be forced to study 1000 kanji anyway to ensure he can anticipate what might turn up on the test.

In other words, N3 is easier than level 2, but it doesn't make any difference... because by not having any idea what's on the test you need to be about as good as level 2 to have any confidence of passing. This is a problem to the student especially when they have to choose the level before taking the exam. If the lists are going to be secret, then we're better off having a common exam and getting a score that grades us at level N3 or N4 when we come out. That way the risk to the student is not as high as it is now. The risk is wasting an enormous amount of time studying for a level that you couldn't reasonably have known how to pass.

Are there sound, educational reasons behind this decision? The New JLPT Guidebook says: "The goal of learning Japanese is not to memorize vocabulary, kanji, and grammar, but to become capable of using them as a means of communication... Therefore, we determined that it is not appropriate to publish... lists [of kanji]"

First of all, learning kanji is largely a matter of memorization. There's no way out of this.
What I think they are trying to say, is that they don't want people who are good at memorizing things passing only because of memory ability.

The problem is, there are actually 2 problems they needed to solve.
How to avoid the 'memory brigade' and how to give students a fair opportunity at studying for and demonstrating their ability in an exam

So, is the solution to keep the exam content totally secret?
Is there no way to structure or create an exam question to avoid the memory slackers?

There is more to say on this, but I'm interested in other people's thoughts before going on. Feel free to add a reply.

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NeWbY
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject:

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Weren't they gonna add a rule stating you need to pass every individual section with at least x% to pass?

I don't really care whether they keep it secret or not, but I agree with your statement for N3 people. Since there is no way of knowing what will show up and what won't your best bet is to study for JLPT2 with N3 in mind. Even though this is far more than necessary.

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Zashiki Warashi
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:08 am    Post subject:

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I believe that for N3 one would need to know about 600-700 kanji. If I'm correct, grade 1 to 6 Jouyou kanji list consists of 674 kanji. The 4kyuu and 3kyuu lists consist of 284 kanji, all of them are also in grade 1 to 6 Jouyou list. N3 should require all 3kyuu kanji + 316-416 more. Due to the fact that the number 674 is included in the 600-700 interval, I believe that N3 would require all Jouyou kanji up to secondary school list and maybe a few more common secondary school ones. I think that's how I would study for N3 if I had to.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject:

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Zashiki Warashi wrote:
If I'm correct, grade 1 to 6 Jouyou kanji list consists of 674 kanji.

There are 1006 kanji learned in Japanese elementary schools (grade 1 to 6). As a whole they are referred to as the 教育漢字 and are a subset of the 常用漢字.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject:

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Zashiki Warashi wrote:
I believe that for N3 one would need to know about 600-700 kanji.


That's also what I think and I've created just such a kanji list for N3 (as pointed out, I think you meant Jouyou 1-4 not 6)
My lists constitute a total of 645 kanji for N3 - http://www.jlptstudy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1306

We can guess how many kanji there will be, but it is beside the point - we really don't know.
It would only take failing to know 10 or so kanji that examiners thought you should know to make the difference between doing reasonably well and failing the entire exam - since, as someone just pointed out, the exam rules now require passing every section to pass the overall exam.

Perhaps even funnily - by the reasoning given to us in the New JLPT Guidebook, it would seem that if my kanji list is seen by JLPT examiners, they would be tempted to dynamically change kanji in response, to fulfill their objective of avoiding use of memorization. Does this prove that the reasoning they've provided is faulty? This could turn into a cat and mouse game with us creating lists based on estimations and examiners constantly changing and throwing in different kanji to mix things up Wink

The fact is, we have to memorize kanji, but by not publishing required lists of kanji, we just have to memorize more.

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Zashiki Warashi
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject:

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ericspinelli wrote:
Zashiki Warashi wrote:
If I'm correct, grade 1 to 6 Jouyou kanji list consists of 674 kanji.

There are 1006 kanji learned in Japanese elementary schools (grade 1 to 6). As a whole they are referred to as the 教育漢字 and are a subset of the 常用漢字.

I guess I really fail at math lol wwwwwwwwww

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